The Cutting Edge: Experiments in DAO Governance | Julz Rosenberg, Charles St. Louis

Season 2 | Episode 5

In this episode of Bell Curve, Julz Rosenberg and Charles St. Louis join us to discuss experiments in DAO governance and organizational structure. We start with the evolution of DAOs and the gradual transition from social to programmatic systems. We then explore the innovations in DAO governance, the tendency to over-index on decentralization, how to increase organization legibility and why community is overrated. This episode paints the picture of how DAOs will evolve next!

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(00:00) Intro: Pre-interview

(02:46) The Purpose Of A DAO

(12:36) A Shift From Socialware To Trustware

(23:18) Bureaucracy Is The Killer Of Organizations

(27:43) Element's Governance Experiments

(35:52) "Reserve Ad"

(38:05) DAOs In The Next Cycle

(41:15) Is Governance A Liability?

(46:59) Do We Over Index Decentralization?

(52:12) Building Out Legibility

(56:58) You Want A Cult, Not A Community

(01:09:41) Recap: Post-interview

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Scaling Trust in DAOs: Trustware vs Socialware


Convex and Concave Dispositions (Vitalik)


Life After Lifestyle






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Reserve Protocol aims to protect consumers from the effects of high inflation and hopes to one day eradicate it.

It's a self-service, permissionless factory where anyone can build, deploy and govern their own asset-backed stablecoins (RTokens), which can be integrated within DeFi and real-world commerce.

The Reserve App is a user-friendly way for ordinary people to buy RSV stablecoin with their local currencies and use them locally. More info at https://reserve.org/

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