Debating the Multichain End State: Service Providers vs Immutable Protocols | S7 E4 | Bryan Pellegrino

Season 7 | Episode 4

In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Bryan Pellegrino, co-founder of LayerZero, to debate the the end state of the multi-chain future. They debate technical specifics like message passing protocols, bridging frameworks, censorship resistance, and security tradeoffs, as well as philosophies around infrastructure layers versus service providers, decentralization compromises, and application interoperability needs. The conversation explores modular versus monolithic architectures, native versus wrapped assets, batching transactions, the role of intermediaries, and more while aiming to find common ground on how blockchains and applications might interact at scale. Thanks for tuning in!


Follow Bryan: https://twitter.com/PrimordialAA

Follow Hart: https://twitter.com/hal2001

Follow Mike: https://twitter.com/MikeIppolito_

Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9

Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD

Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH

- -

Sei Labs believes the EVM is here to stay.

By providing the fastest time to finality of any chain, thousands of transactions per second and full backwards compatibility with the EVM, Ethereum developers can try out a brand new design space for their applications.

Try out sei v2 devnet - visit the new sei.io to find out more.

- -

Simple and secure products for allllllll the ways you swap.

Swap, sign transactions, and send or receive crypto anywhere – without losing your place.

Uniswap Extension is currently in alpha - join the waitlist.


- -

Join us at DAS (Digital Asset Summit) in London this March! DAS is the #1 institutional conference in crypto, hosted by Blockworks.

Use the link below to learn more, and use BELL10 to get 10% off your ticket! Sign up now because the price goes up every month. See you there!


- -


(0:00) Introduction

(3:32) Layer0 End Game

(15:40) Connecting a Multichain World

(34:39) Sei Ad

(35:39) Balancing Onchain Components

(43:37) Uniswap Ad

(44:30) Preserving Censorship Resistance

(55:35) Trust Zones

(1:09:09) Messaging vs Transport Layer

(1:20:49) The Ideal End State

- -

Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Other Podcasts from our Network