ep. 117


Crypto’s Liquidity Engine, OTC Desks and CEXs | Jonah Van Bourg & Genia Mikhalchenko

In this episode of Empire, Jason and Santiago are joined by two crypto market experts, Jonah Van Bourg & Genia Mikhalchenko, to discuss the anatomy of a trade. An asset's price is derived from supply and demand, but who provides this liquidity, how are trades executed and what parties are involved?

Tune in to find out & check out the highlights below!

- The role of market makers

- Why liquidity is the lifeblood of trading

- How liquidity providers performed in the recent market crash

- Why trade size matters and the risks of front running

- The 3 most important things when evaluating an exchange

- Understanding counterparty risks

- How much leverage is left in the system

- Consolidation is coming

- Will legacy financial institutions compete with crypto-native service providers

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(00:00) Introduction

(01:36) How Market Makers Work

(08:42) Operating An Exchange In a Bear Market

(11:10) The Risk of Front Running

(15:47) Understanding Counterparty Risk

(18:50) Balancing Retail & Institutional Liquidity

(25:50) How Much Leverage Is Left In the System?

(32:40) The Relationship Between DeFi and Centralized Services

(37:43) Biggest Opportunities, On and Off Chain

(40:40) Consolidation Is Coming

(43:06) Are Legacy Financial Institutions A Threat to Crypto Service Providers?

(46:32) Rapid Fire Questions


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