This week, we're excited to share with our community a bonus episode from PERMISSIONLESS IV, which just took place this past week in Brooklyn, NY. This is a Fireside Chat with Yano and Konstantin Richter of Blockdaemon and it brings all the alpha for builders and investors in the space! -- Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts -- Follow Konstantin - https://x.com/konstantin11 Follow Jason - https://x.com/jasonyanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod -- Join the Empire Telegram: https://t.me/+CaCYvTOB4Eg1OWJh -- Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users. Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [https://app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates] -- CHAPTERS 00:25 - Intro01:00 - Operating In Crypto Throughout The Years02:50 - Navigating Narratives05:09 - Blockdaemon's Business Model08:49 - Balancing Where Industry Is Today VS Tomorrow12:49 - IPO Strategies For Blockdaemon17:35 - Institutional Outlook Over Next 12 Months 21:20 - US As Crypto World Leader -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.