In the latest episode of Blockworks’ podcast “Empire,” Jason is joined by Aave founder/CEO Stani Kulechov & technology investor Santiago R Santos.

Sitting at the forefront of the fast evolving DeFi ecosystem, we invited Stani & Santiago on to Empire to share their thoughts on the exponential growth and assess whether DeFi has hit escape velocity.

This conversation was fascinating and covered a range of topics including how DeFi managed to attract $100 Billion of total value during the 2020 DeFi summer, when $1 trillion of value will be locked in DeFi, how social media could be decentralised in the web 3.0 transition, NFT’s, and Stani & Santiago’s outlook for the end of year bull market.

They also discuss:

  • Tokenizing real world assets
  • Collateralized vs Undercollateralized loans
  • and so much more!

Check out what they had to say in the video below. 👇

On “Empire,” once a week, Jason interviews individuals that have built the crypto industry to talk about their struggles, bold moves and tough decisions. For any NPR or Guy Raz fans out there, you can think of “Empire” like a “How I Built This” for the bitcoin and crypto industry.

Episodes are released every Thursday morning. 

Subscribe to Empire today on Apple or Spotify. Watch episodes on YouTube.


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  • Blockworks
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    Brianna Beckford is a Florida-based editor mainly focused on digital assets and the crossroads between the virtual and physical. As a University of Florida grad in Art + Technology, she’s dabbled in writing and reporting with a focus on the growth of hypermediacy in the present day. She focuses on video and podcasting for Blockworks.