On today’s episode of “Empire,” Jason Yanowitz and Santiago Roel Santos are joined by by Travis Kling, founder of Ikigai Asset Management. Travis is a prolific investor who sits at the intersection of macro and crypto.

They discuss the implications of the ETH 2.0 merge, why ETH is prime for institutional capital and what a macro bear market means for crypto. This is a must-listen if you’re interested in the ETH 2.0 Merge and ETH’s investment prospects. (Warning: Travis is a mega bull.)

Plus, hear more on:

  • Ikigai’s investment strategy
  • Layer-1 wars
  • Bitcoin’s 2022 outlook
  • And so much more!

Check out what they had to say in the video below.👇

About the show

“Empire” is a twice-a-week show. On Thursdays, Jason interviews crypto industry movers and shakers to talk about their struggles, bold moves and tough decisions. Friday’s weekly roundup episodes feature co-host Santiago Roel Santos and cover the top news from the past week.

For any NPR or Guy Raz fans out there, you can think of “Empire” as a “How I Built This” for the bitcoin and crypto industry.

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    Brianna Beckford is a Florida-based editor mainly focused on digital assets and the crossroads between the virtual and physical. As a University of Florida grad in Art + Technology, she’s dabbled in writing and reporting with a focus on the growth of hypermediacy in the present day. She focuses on video and podcasting for Blockworks.