On today’s episode of “Empire,” Santiago Roel Santos is joined by Kieran Warwick, co-founder of Illuvium. Illuvium is an open world, collector and auto-battler game with high-resolution graphics and dynamic gameplay mechanics. Illuvium focuses on bringing both entertainment and earning into the core gameplay. It might just be the Pokémon of Web3.

Santiago and Kieran discuss the inspiration behind Illuvium, how to build a AAA studio-level game, how NFTs empower gameplay and the key to Illuvium’s success.

Plus, hear more on:

  • Scarcity vs. utility
  • NFT interoperability
  • Building crypto communities
  • And so much more!

Check out what they had to say in the video below.👇

About the show

Empire is a twice-a-week show where we share the real crypto stories that aren’t heard elsewhere. On Mondays, Jason and Santiago Santos interview crypto industry movers and shakers to talk about their struggles, bold moves and tough decisions. Finish off the week with Friday’s weekly roundup episode that covers the top news and narratives of the week.

For any NPR or Guy Raz fans out there, you can think of “Empire” as a “How I Built This” for the bitcoin and crypto industry.

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  • Podcast Producer
    Garrett Harper is the producer for the Empire podcast. Garrett worked in private equity and product management before jumping into crypto full-time in 2021. His favorite thing about crypto? It conflates art, gaming, finance, software, and psychology into one hyper-growth industry.