In the latest episode of “Empire,” Blockworks’ Co-founder Jason Yanowitz sits with Tom Schmidt of Dragonfly Cap and Tarun Chitra of Gauntlet for a DeFi deep dive. They cover a range of topics, from DAOs and governance, to the digitization of corporations in our increasingly technology-based world.

Plus, listen to hear their thoughts on:

  • the deleveraging spiral in DeFi (decentralized finance)
  • the crypto outlook for 2022
  • tokenomics
  • and so much more!

Check out what they had to say in the video below. 👇

About the show

“Empire” is a twice-a-week show. On Thursdays, Jason interviews crypto industry movers and shakers to talk about their struggles, bold moves and tough decisions. Friday’s weekly roundup episodes feature co-host Santiago Roel Santos and cover the top news from the past week.

For any NPR or Guy Raz fans out there, you can think of “Empire” as a “How I Built This” for the bitcoin and crypto industry.

Subscribe to “Empire” today on Apple or Spotify. Watch episodes on YouTube.


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  • Blockworks
    Video Editor
    Brianna Beckford is a Florida-based editor mainly focused on digital assets and the crossroads between the virtual and physical. As a University of Florida grad in Art + Technology, she’s dabbled in writing and reporting with a focus on the growth of hypermediacy in the present day. She focuses on video and podcasting for Blockworks.