On today’s episode of “Empire,” Jason and Santiago start with a relevant topic: how to survive a bear market. Santiago explains how he embraces the bear and shares advice for builders and investors — including his current investment strategy.

Jason and Santi then explore the NFT market, Yuga land sale and today’s scaling challenges.

The conversation is capped off with thoughts on Lido’s dominance, Anchor’s rate drop and DAO legal battles. Tune in to hear this week’s top stories all in one episode!

Plus, hear more on:

  • Private vs. public token markets
  • Apecoin’s staking proposal
  • The pull toward centralization
  • And so much more!

Check out what they had to say in the video below.👇

About the show

“Empire” is a twice-a-week show where we share the real crypto stories that aren’t heard elsewhere. On Mondays, Jason and Santiago Santos interview crypto industry movers and shakers to talk about their struggles, bold moves and tough decisions. Finish off the week with Friday’s weekly roundup episode that covers the top news and narratives of the week.

For any NPR or Guy Raz fans out there, you can think of “Empire” as a “How I Built This” for the bitcoin and crypto industry.

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  • Podcast Producer
    Garrett Harper is the producer for the Empire podcast. Garrett worked in private equity and product management before jumping into crypto full-time in 2021. His favorite thing about crypto? It conflates art, gaming, finance, software, and psychology into one hyper-growth industry.